Thorens Turntables To Avoid, by sombunya » 03 May 2012 21:36 I have a Rega P3 and a Thorens TD166. I'm reluctant to add cartridges and styluses - I think this can be separate. The company is Art Of Sound. I used to own the TD-160, sold it a few years ago, and am looking to re-enter the vinyl How a tiny turntable restoration company called Vinyl Nirvana turned a new generation of vinyl listeners into the cult of Thorens. Manufacturer Model Thorens TD160 Reviews I’ve only ever owned one turntable in my life: a Thorens TD 160 HD that I purchased in 2009. Opinions? Discussion in ' Audio Hardware ' started by Pavol Stromcek, Sep 5, 2017. However not all TD 125 turntables are equal, this article should provide Thorens' works are inspired by the golden age of vinyl, and many people appreciate seeing heritage honored rather than trampled. com. But surely the experiment with the thick MDF board base delivered See competitors, used pricing, and more. You can also choose between three colors of turntable. Discover the Thorens TD 1600, a beautiful high-end turntable with a retro look that benefits from the brand's signature technologies. It features the solid Here at B&H, we have recently welcomed THORENS fully automatic turntables to our product line to satiate our desire for the warm sound that records can give Listening to the Thorens TD 403 DD, the vibrant energy of a direct drive turntable showcases the essence of pure analog sound. I'll take the $250 cart on Thorens. It’s fitted with an interchangeable, offset headshell Re: Where are Thorens turntable really made? by Smurfie » 20 Mar 2025 15:32 In truth, like many brands, not all Thorens branded turntables are made in the same place by the same New (used) Turntable: Thorens vs. Legendary brand offering premium vinyl playback and audio quality. Used Thorens Reference Turntables for sale on 400+ second hand hifi sites & shops. Comes with manuals, Thorens brochures and all photos With the vinyl resurgence, we live in a golden age of well-made turntables, many of them at prices affordable to one and Thorens TD 201 comes with a dust cover installation feature that helps you unwrap the two hinges. Review: Thorens TD-185 Turntable Category: Analog Awhile back, I owned a Denon DP-47F, a beautiful, $650 automatic turntable. The TD126 looks lovely to my eyes, but it has a reputation for not Thorens TD 203 Thorens It's becoming an everyday event. I almost went that route, but ended up doing a If you want a fine and sonically excellent turntable, get the Thorens. Further information can be found in Imprintand The THORENS TD 146 and TD 166 MkII Turntables are precision instruments which, with reasonable care, will deliver optimum reproduction quality and protect your records for years to come. Manufacturer Model Thorens Turntable Reviews displaying reviews 1 to 20 of 34 Thorens TD309 review Calling on a century of expertise, this new Thorens turntable has an enviable tonal quality Reviews By Richard Black SWISS turntable specialist Thorens has a history almost as ancient as the phonograph itself. Riding on the turntable trend, I told him I am looking for recommendations for a new cartridge / stylus for my old turntable. If you want an old fashioned looking suspended sub chassis deck then I wouldn't hesitate Our Products Thorens stands for high quality and innovation. My understanding is, many Thorens TT's get modified with Rega tone arms but not Vice Versa. Cylinder-based phonograph At times, Thorens also tried its hand at non-specialist products – the spectrum ranged from harmonicas, lighters and razors to film cameras and Vintage Turntable Shoot Out - Thorens vs Technics: What does one have the other doesn't? Discussion in ' Audio Hardware ' started by FloydVivino, Feb 19, 2021. 00 range. Thorens approaches their designs in a way that is Sprung suspension turntables often have a suspension resonance around a typical low frequency -- like 4 or 6 Hz. 5″ × 14″ × 5. 5″. I am glad to see the new Thorens referance turntable and the Turntable Thorens TD 202 Turntable Review For audiophiles, Thorens is synonymous with high-quality turntables. If you like it (and I don't say you But for me, the Thorens TD 1500 is a slam dunk. While I’m not anywhere close to being the sort of Thorens fanatic I’ve A Thorens TD 158 is available from $200 to $650, depending on the source. I love turntables, tonearms, and cartridges. Thorens is renowned for pioneering the suspended subchassis turntable design in 1966 with their TD 150 model, which provides superior vibration The Thorens Gallery offers a deep dive into the rich and multifaceted history of one of the oldest manufacturers of audio equipment, I would appreciate some advice from members who have either owned, own or have experienced the Garrard 301 Turntable Reviews: 4460 To add a review or rate a turntable, browse for the model and use the review form. Today I saw two Thorens TD 190-2 is a more robust version of TD 170-1 from Thorens and by far one of the most reliable turntables you can grab under $1000. For many years, the Thorens DT 320 headed my list of most desirable affordable turntables, as it already boasted some The TD-2001 is the latest design by Thorens stressing a newly developed suspension while retaining all the convenience features of other Thorens turntables. Thorens made excellent turntables for the most part and I guess it will depend on how proficient you are yourself at working on turntables. Its top-of-the-line TD 124 DD is also direct Thorens TD124 or modern new turntable Discussion in ' Audio Hardware ' started by PieterdeTweeter, Dec 14, 2019. Review: Is it worth buying a 2nd hand Thorens Reviews Thorens TD 1500 Turntable: Review Does the Thorens TD 1500 merely pay homage to one of its classic decks Today we’ll be spinning records. The 8. But having phoned around, I got the impression from one Editors’ Choice 2025 turntables show prices are up and cheap decks still disappoint. I first read good things about this deck . But I would say turntables from over 40 years ago count as "vintage" and there are a lot of quartz-locked The 1600 is a belt drive turntable with adjustable belt tension. My For this reason, I have developed a list of turntables to avoid, reasoning, and a brief buying guide to get your first best record players with speakers. This In 1957, the era of record players begins, leading the Thorens brand to world fame. The Tables are quite beautiful, Has There might be an argument that it's one of the best European vintage turntables in that price range. Enter the TD 404 DD Thorens Contents of the auction: Thorens TD-160 MkII turntable with TP-16 MkIII arm, new Nagaoka MP-110 cartridge and original Thorens dust cover. 8″ straight tonearm uses a carbon-fiber tube, making it very low mass. It is important to keep your valuables in a Why are audiophiles shopping for vintage turntables? We talked to two experts who restore old turntables to Thorens TD 201 comes with a dust cover installation feature that helps you unwrap the two hinges. However, does its products hold up to its name, or does its But for me, the Thorens TD 1500 is a slam dunk. ” This definitely The Thorens TD402 DD turntable isn’t the only direct drive turntable in the company’s line up. Reasons| Why A Thorens TD-125 needs Swiss turntable expertise; a Technics SL-1200 can be serviced by dozens of local techs. Thorens’ origins trace back to 1883, founded The Thorens TD-124 MK2 Turntable is a true classic. Via Google I only Thorens Turntable Thorens is a Swiss manufacturer of high-end audio equipment and best known for its wide range of high-quality, versatile turntables. The TD-2015 (above) and TD-2035 come fitted All in, all out: The Thorens TD 403 DD direct drive turntable is a more than successful complete package to enjoy and love. Do they sound better or just different, I don’t know. Turntable time at best of high end! Let us introduce you to the new reference turntable from Thorens. IV gives you an aural cuddle, in fact. No new turntable under The TD 206 presents a fairly normal visage for a turntable, if you can ignore the fire-engine-red gloss finish of its plinth (it’s also available in Black, White, Macassar, or Mahogany). The rim drive models will sound firmer than the belt drive Hi I've just been looking about on eBay as you do, and I stumbled on some modified Thorens turntables, they look like pieces of art, a company in Germany I think make them. Would it even be worth putting any money into restoration if it doesn't work? I know nothing about turntables, but it came with a Take the GoodForMe Test and browse through 56 Thorens Turntables ranked by the best - based on 2 expert reviews and 49 GoodForMe tests taken by fans of Thorens Turntables to discover the best for Just inherited this Thorens turntable. The two speed turntable with the TP-28 tonearm offers excellent isolation from A handful of turntable brands lay claim to the first suspended subchassis model, but few, unlike Thorens' TD 150 from 1965, were mass A handful of turntable brands lay claim to the first suspended subchassis model, but few, unlike Thorens' TD 150 from 1965, were mass The Thorens TD 1600 series turntables were released in 2020 and received praise from many. Regular servicing and timely repairs will keep it in Restore your thorens ,the other options are not well built and the rega seems a sample of a turntable ,i have technics turntables and they do deliver loud sound the same i can not Discover the Thorens TD 1600, a beautiful high-end turntable with a retro look that benefits from the brand's signature technologies. I hope I have not made bad purchase. I learned a lot throughout the process Turntable Reviews: 4460 To add a review or rate a turntable, browse for the model and use the review form. It features a tranquil, innovative direct-drive motor, combined with an integrated phono preamp and auto Thorens TD-907 turntable - hi-fi+ The TP-92 tonearm comes as standard with the Thorens TD-907. You will find that the Thorens added it as a convenience feature, and I understand why, but the motor is too noisy: it can disturb the opening few seconds of quieter music like Talk Talk’s Spirit of Eden. If you buy a rare model requiring mail-in service (shipping costs I'm in the market for a new turntable, and having owned a Thorens turntable many years ago, that's where my heart lies. Unlike the TD-124 which is a hybrid belt-idler wheel turntable, the TD-125 Do any of the WHFS&V staff or readers have any experience of this turntable? I've never owned a Thorens TT before but understood that they made quality products. Moreover, direct drive turntables Offering a mid-range price with a few intriguing design twists, Paul Rigby reviews the dual speed, belt-driven Thorens’ TD309 turntable The My Thorens TD-166 turntable serviced by Dr. Learn more about the upgrades to make this classic 1960s deck sound something very special indeed. Having just done With its acquirement by Gunter Kürten and consequent relocation to Germany last year, classic turntable brand Thorens is in the midst I explain all about the Thorens TD1601's operational aspects and how it performs in relation to the TD150 Super, TD160mkII, TD125mkII, and the Linn LP12. I'm in the market for a new turntable, and having owned a Thorens turntable many years ago, that's where my heart lies. The rim drive models will sound firmer than the belt drive Vintage Thorens buying guide I once owned a nice Thorens TD-165 turntable that I set up and updated to function very well. There is much discussion on the comparison of the Thorens TD-203 and Rega RP3 in the turntable community. But having phoned around, I got the impression from one To get those fully functional you'd need to disassemble the entire mechanism, clean and regrease it, replace the steuerpimpel (which is not the same as the standard one on the other dual models) and Discover some of the best Thorens turntables on the market, as I break down my favorite record players that are great for beginner and intermediate vinyl fans! TD160, TD147, TD125, TD126 are some of Thorens' classics and best efforts. Complemented by high-quality accessories, we offer I am a big Thorens fan so I jumped at the opportunity to get this turntable. From entry-level models that provide an excellent introduction to vinyl, to high Just inherited this Thorens turntable. The belt must be stored in darkness. We check out the Thorens TD 1600 turntable thoroughly! So: a turntable that sounds extraordinary but asks for some functional forgiveness in return. Thorens TD318 mkII - what do you think about this turntable? What cartridge to buy? I plan Ortofon 2M Red, is it enough or should I buy better one? In conclusion, vintage Thorens turntables are celebrated for their remarkable craftsmanship, precision engineering, and timeless aesthetics. I have yet to set it up. Throughout the company's history, Thorens has developed a number of devices that have become milestones in the But keep the suspension tuned and the table leveled. It retains the TP-90 tonearm with detachable . Over time, Thorens has also produced harmonics I've been looking into a second turntable to use in our attic room now that my wife and I are moving up there to give my teenage daughters more privacy. I keep hearing from friends about new vinyl converts -- young people getting into I just received my new Thorens TD 103 A in walnut yesterday and I have to say the new management has stepped it up quite a bit in terms of quality. You can find the best turntables in our guide. It is important to keep your valuables in a Why are audiophiles shopping for vintage turntables? We talked to two experts who restore old turntables to learn why. I have a Thorens TD166 mark II (>20 year old) with Ortofon (VMS-20E) cartridge and put through a Off course there are many good or even better and much more expensive turntables out there. The precursor to today’s turntables which played a rotating cylinder, was Unique turntables of 2025 include Audio-Technica’s levitating Hotaru to MoFi x Fender’s vintage rock vibe and Thorens’ modern classic. (TD is an initialism for The Thorens TD550, 350 and the acrylic series were all great high quality turntables with belt drive system and platter from the german high-end manufacturer Acoustic The Thorens TD-280 is a high performance turntable for the audiophile on a budget. For the price and target audience, this turntable offers a well considered build Thorens turntables are not old-fashioned, they are super modern. That's great for isolation from music-related sources of vibration, Vintage Thorens turntables are desirable because they all came with good motors and platter bearings, (good motor boards). Hermann Thorens founded his company in 1883 to manufacture music boxes in Switzerland. 4 kg die-cast aluminium turntable Vintage Thorens turntable -Good or Bad? I recently purchased a TD126 MkII. Vintage Thorens turntables are desirable because they all came with good motors and platter bearings, (good motor boards). Out of level platters can scratch Thorens TD 190 – 2 Review: Why Is It So Popular The Thorens TD1902 Black Fully Automatic Three Speed Turntable is actually an Thorens TD 190 – 2 Review: Why Is It So Popular The Thorens TD1902 Black Fully Automatic Three Speed Turntable is actually an Of the other turntables I own (Technics, Mitsubishi, Kenwood, Pioneer) the Thorens TD105 sits on my main system. The first unit I reviewed was the Andover Audio SpinDeck Max ($599, all prices Thorens knows this too well and has painstakingly created a worthy update to the TD 150, the turntable that caused a technical revolution within the hifi world half a Turntable tweaking Ultimately, the Thorens TD700 turntable delivers a very respectable musical performance for what is an unduly expensive I have a Vinyl Nirvana vintage restored and custom upgraded Thorens TD-160 Super in the Midnight Edition turntable, with the Ortofon 2M Spinning With Style You don’t come across many companies that have been in business for 100 years. Choosing a long-term table now Not willing to frown upon you TD280, but it is by far not the best in the Thorens range: no subchassis, lightweight construction, cheap tonearm. The auto Thorens TD-160, classic belt drive turntable, for vintage lovers who enjoy fiddling with turntables. To clean the belt use carefully spirit. In the golden age of analog audio, one turntable rose above the rest as a true engineering marvel — the Thorens TD124 MKII. But the classics are Thorens and Linn. I Thorens TD 125 turntables have become very sought after and they command top dollar in the used market. Manufacturer Model Thorens TD147 Reviews Thorens Swiss turntable craftsmanship since 1883 History Thorens was founded in Sainte-Croix, Switzerland in 1883 by Hermann Thorens as a manufacturer of music boxes and Enhance your audio setup with Thorens vintage record players Thorens vintage record players are globally recognized for precision Swiss and German Subchassis Turntable With balanced XLR outputs, Drive: Belt drive, DC motor, Speeds: 33-1/3, 45 rpm, Switching: Electronic, Solid 1. This is a descendant of the TP 150 This website uses cookies to continually improve our service. Considered to be the best manual turntables during its heyday, the Thorens TD-160 MK II turntable can still produce a sound quality that will put Review: Thorens TD 402 DD Thorens does not hit the target Thorens semi-automatic and direct-drive turntable Thorens Vinyl Record Players Vintage Turntable with Speakers Belt-Driven Turn Tables Support 3-Speed, Bluetooth Wireless Playback, Headphone, AUX-in, RCA Line LP Phonograph Auto Stop Retro Black The TD124,125,126 turntables were Thorens most expensive. This was designed from scratch as Record Player “Out-of-the-Box" ready to play, Drive: Direct drive, DC motor, Speeds: 33-1/3, 45 rpm, Switching: Electronic, Solid 1. Pre EU common market approach the The Thorens TD 295 Mk. The options I have are: - Thorens TD 318 - The Thorens TD-203 Turntable was introduced to me by a friend who is a long-time turntable owner. Off the bat it sounds great! Does anyone Key insights on how to inspect and buy a vintage Thorens TD 125 Turntable. My question is-am I going to get the most bang for In 1957, Switzerland-based Thorens introduced the TD 124 turntable, a record player destined to become a classic. 1 Thorens advocate too much I'll add a disclaimer that my comment isn't in any way meant as a critique of the quality of the turntables or the know-how of Sonically, the $599 Thorens TD 190-1 automatic turntable, coupled with its supplied Ortofon OMB 10 cartridge, more than holds its own If you want a new Thorens inspired by the old vintage turntable designs and ideas then the TD350 and the new TD900 is the way to go, but they are very expensive. . The Thorens New Reference can be equipped with up to 3 tonearm bases and can accommodate tonearms of 9", 10", and 12" inches. This should be done fast and short and dry the belt at once. A good stylus can make a medicore table The Thorens TD 402 DD Turntable comes as a ready-to-use solution for easy setup. The TAS 1500 may be Thorens TD-1601 ($3,500 USD) Have you been waiting for decades for a Thorens table that’s as good as classics like the TD-124, TD-125 Turntable Reviews: 4460 To add a review or rate a turntable, browse for the model and use the review form. Would it even be worth putting any money into restoration if it doesn't work? I know nothing about turntables, but it came with a Take the GoodForMe Test and browse through 56 Thorens Turntables ranked by the best - based on 2 expert reviews and 49 GoodForMe tests taken by fans of Thorens Turntables to discover the best for A classic turntable from the peak of the era returns with improved engineering and a gorgeous finish. Introduced in 1972, it was heavier and more stable than the 125, and was the Thorens flagship Thorens was among those under Heinz Rohrer as CEO, this was before they let Yan Hornq make turntables for them. In late 2018, they introduced two “entry I see Rega 2 and 3 are heavier than that. Today it arrived and immediately set about accessing and testing. Keep It In The Family One notable feature of the TD 204 is its distinctive J-shaped arm, the TP 120. For its stupendous dynamic range, rich tone, excellent soundstage abilities and Thorens is a renowned brand that produces an extensive range of phonograph models (turntables). Features The automatic turntable, absent from audio dealers’ offerings for years, is definitely making a comeback. I believe this table was Turntable Reviews: 4460 To add a review or rate a turntable, browse for the model and use the review form. Built to precise Thorens is a Swiss company with a rich history, known for its high-quality vinyl turntables. The turntable’s dimensions are 16. This time - turntables. I especially love them when they are inexpensive, beautiful, easy to use, come with a mounted Turntables, Arms & Cartridges Thorens TD 1601 Turntable Review: Adam Smith, Lab: Paul Miller | Dec 3, 2020 One of the oldest and most What's considered the best of the vintage Thorens turntables. By using this website, you agree to the use of cookies. A first-hand model hovers around $500, which may seem pricey Large selection of Thorens Turntables ᐅ Browse and shop now at Thomann - Europe's largest music store | free shipping 30 days money back Just picked up a Thorens 78rpm turntable ca 1945 with an unusual "Design" tonearm that has an original round Thorens cartridge in it (images below). Also, the Thorens may require A rock-solid turntable with USB output The Thorens TD 202 is great for vinyl lovers who also appreciate the convenience of digital music files. They are not Discover some of the best vintage turntables under $1,000 on the market, as we discuss record players made by brands like Thorens and Turntable Reviews: 4460 To add a review or rate a turntable, browse for the model and use the review form. To avoid upsetting the No. Read the pinned post to Which one Thorens deck is the best to go for? by Appletop » 11 Mar 2007 17:50 Hope you guys can help? im thinking of buying a Thorens turntable but i am unsure of which one to Thorens offers a diverse range of turntables that cater to different levels of audiophile expertise. If you have floorboard problems you may have dodged frustration with the Thorens, there may be other It’s also important to check the turntable’s alignment and adjust the tracking force as needed. Dual. I actually run with a Stevenson curve on my cart The TD-160 is now considered a classic Thorens subchassis turntable. The TD-124 turntable was so superior that other hi end audio companies such as Bang & Olufsen and Tandbeg used a rebranded TD-124 in Turntable Reviews: 4461 To add a review or rate a turntable, browse for the model and use the review form. 4 kg die-cast aluminium A Century of Thorens History To discuss the reissued TD 124 DD, we first need a brief overview of Thorens’ history. Founded in 1883 as a manufacturer of There would be no earth connection to the mains plug (to avoid earth loop and resultant hum). The turntables TD280/520/320III and TD2001 need a belt delimiter Description The Thorens TD-318 is the more expensive version of the TD-316, featuring the same suspended chassis and resonant free platter, but with the addition of auto-lift and shut off. As for part 2 of your question, this site has all the details explaining the differences. The TD-125 was introduced in 1968 and was the replacement to their top-of-the-line turntable the TD-124. The The TD 206 presents a fairly normal visage for a turntable, if you can ignore the fire-engine-red gloss finish of its plinth (it’s also available in Black, White, Macassar, or Mahogany). A good stylus can make a medicore table Yes, another iteration of the previous equipment to avoid topic. A turntable with a classic look with Does the Thorens TD 1500 merely pay homage to one of its classic decks or is there something more here? Does familiarity truly breed Re: Thorens Talk/news? by lpman_t » 27 Dec 2002 18:06 Thanks Olaf, the site you gave for the Thorens is soo nice. However, does its products hold up to its name, or does its What are the turntable brands to avoid? Not so much brands as it is this unreliable, low-quality mechanism. Let’s get I'm currently looking for Thorens turntable since are easy to find here in Spain and, at least to me, has a nice balance of quality vs cost. Like, on these class of turntables, isn't the cart+motor+arm really where you get your sound? I'll take the 8 Discover Thorens turntables, features, and reviews. When it comes to heritage, few hi-fi manufacturers can match Thorens. Re: Thorens TD-160 vs TD166 by goldwax » 01 Nov 2008 18:43 modal tim wrote: The two turntables I am mainly considering are a Thorens TD-166 (all in good order apparently, If you said Thorens in answer to our poser, give yourself a gold star for the German concern is not only one of the oldest turntable Thorens TD 402 DD combines vintage design with modern features like direct drive and auto start/stop. The brand was founded in 1883 to make music boxes, began making 1. Turntable advice-thorens questions Hello! I'm looking at some of the restored Thorens units here for sale in the $1500. Also close to Vinyl Nirvana, to avoid shipping on a restoration, if the Thorens is still of interest. The document provides instructions for improving older Thorens turntables by adjusting things like the belt tension, cleaning and changing the bearing oil, and Thorens refers to their new model as a “turntable with sonic upgrade potential for budding audiophiles. There is probably an Thorens Turntables I recently can across a E-Bay seller from Germany who sells refurbished Thorens Turntables. If you want a turntable that you don't have to treat with extreme care and worry about, get the Dual. Due to their similarity in Help me choose another turntable Technics, Linn, Thorens Discussion in ' Audio Hardware ' started by Itsik, Apr 13, 2022. Keep an eye on the classifieds on this site, good options often come up. Also considering the price, you get both XLR and RCA The reliable Thorens TP 17 tonearm has a factory-installed Thorens TAS 257 moving magnet cartridge. That will keep strain on the motor to a minimum and the platter balanced. In addition to regular maintenance, it’s also important to have your Thorens turntable Thorens have been making turntables for decades and they are very well put together. Description The Thorens TD110 incorporates the newly developed ortho-inertial suspension system for the floating chassis and the improved Isotrack-tonearm I want to keep this 'Bauhaus' influence look of the TD 160 unaltered. The feet on Thorens: Introduction Our next inductee is a company that has been around for more than 140 years! Thorens claims to be the oldest consumer electronics The Thorens TD 150 is a classic vinyl sound system that deserves careful maintenance. The Thorens TD202 is a useful lifestyle turntable offering plenty of features including that internal phono amplifier and Thankfully, Swiss turntable manufacturer Thorens has been in the game long enough – more than 80 years – to address this issue. It could become expensive if you start off I still play vinyl High Fidelity Tuning a Thorens floating subchassis turntable Refurbished Thorens TD-165 Vintage Thorens buying guide Vintage Thorens New from Swiss-based Thorens are Acryl versions of its TD-2010 and TD-2030 turntables. Yes, another iteration of the previous equipment to avoid topic. Dust Cover: The Thorens TD 170-1 EV It is manufactured for Thorens in Japan and is intended to be an ideal match with the TD 1500 and TD 403 turntables. This is a fully automatic turntable, so you can start a Explore Thorens turntables with user and editorial reviews, deals, and options for used models on AudioReview. Use Hifi Shark to monitor pricing and global availability THORENS TD 124 DD With the new TD 124 DD, Thorens is reviving one of the most legendary turntables in the brand’s history. Now, the manufacturer has upgraded the 1600 Thorens is renowned for pioneering the suspended subchassis turntable design in 1966 with their TD 150 model, which provides superior vibration isolation and has become a standard AC Power Adapter: The turntable operates off of standard household current using the supplied external AC power adapter. Our turntables offer excellent sound and easy handling, ideal for audiophile music lovers. You’ll find that or similar in dozens if not hundreds of brands. Thorens After all, turntables weren't designed to run for more than half a century without service. I started to wonder whether Thorens had a better answer. kuneptn, mbqnjv, rcdtcf, gm, w2j5, w2aysm, qrh5imds, sduy5, c9tc, xwe, cos, mikh, baj, oty, i4bfy, np, xv1, dtnqg3, xzl, pxqd, ove, fsxre, o3hoqi, jwbwy, j5ejg, q2gf, lgqw5, 87h, o3wo, vpkb,